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I am a new member of the Yule Log Message Board, but I have been reading everyones comments for several months with great interest.  I greatly love Christmas music and seem to especially get the itch to order new Christmas music every summer and fall (I just can't wait any longer!).  Like everyone on this site, I have my own list of favorite Christmas albums that I hope will be issued on CD, but my main hope is to see Percy Faith's Music of Christmas receive a splendid sound restoration and remastering.

When I was a child, I used to hear this album in stores and commercials every year and it quickly became the sound of Christmas for me.  The problem was I had no idea who had recorded this wonderful music.  You can imagine my excitement a few years ago when I stumbled upon this album on Amazon and started listening to song samples:  here was that special sound I had been missing and couldn't identify!  As soon the CD came, I listened to it and was immediately overcome with joy and nostalgia (I still get this feeling everytime I listen to it).  I then excitedly went back to the internet to see if there was more Percy Faith Christmas music.  I found the Music of Christmas, Volume 2 CD on an outlet site for less than $5 (try doing that now!) and just loved it.  I then ordered Christmas Is and was extremely disappointed; it's very different from Percy's earlier efforts, poorly recorded, and I just don't care for the singers--but I realize that's just a matter of taste.

Anyway, I have bugged Columbia/Sony/Legacy for years about a sonic restoration of Percy's Music of Christmas but have never even received the courtesy of a reply.  The only CD version they have ever released is compressed, somewhat hissy, tinny, and thin-sounding.  It almost sounds like it was recorded on a toy.  You would think that since a couple of Percy's Christmas albums and his greatest hits album are basically the only ones Sony has cared enough about to keep in print that it would spruce them up--otherwise, lease them to somebody who does recognize their value.  Volume 2, which was restored a few years ago, sounds lovely--you would never know it was recorded 50 years ago.  Wouldn't it be wonderful if Music of Christmas could finally be heard in all its brilliance and sonic beauty?
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Welcome to the board, Tommy.

If, as you say, you have been reading the posts on the message board over the last several months, then no doubt you have read the myriad of posts I have written on this subject. We can only hope that if Sony Music receives enough requests, they will eventually digitally remaster this legendary LP of LPs. It's just a sheer tragedy that up to this point, they still haven't.

By the way, in case you haven't already seen it, click here for a thread where I discuss this great man and his magnificent music (see especially my posts dated 10/11/08 and 10/12/08). 


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A few years back, there was a discussion of this album (and why it sounds so crummy on CD) on this website run by Steve Hoffman, one of the best remastering engineers in the business.

[url]http://www.stevehoffman.tv/forums/showthread.php?t=66843[/url]

To really make a decent-sounding of this album, they need to go back a remix it from the original three-tracks. But who knows if those even exist anymore?
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Chip, now that you're buddies with CCM, can you see if they can lease the original 3-track masters from Columbia of Percy Faith's original Music of Christmas for a total remaster?  I've also tried to track down the group of women from Columbia/Legacy that did the remastering of MOC Volume II (Hallelujah) to see if they were interested in doing the same for Percy's other two Christmas LP's, but no such luck.
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Johnny,

Getting the rights to print Percy Faith's 1959 stereo recording of Music Of Christmas, or his second Christmas album, Music Of Christmas, Vol. 2 (aka Hallelujah), will be a very tough nut to crack and is extremely unlikely as Sony Music is very protective of Mr. Faith's Christmas material. In addition, please bear in mind that Sony is still printing the 1959 stereo recording of Music Of Christmas on their own label. In fact, this year is the album's Golden anniversary, and never once in those 50 years has it ever been out of print.

As for Music Of Christmas, Vol. 2 (aka Hallelujah), even though it is not currently being printed by Sony, they are extremely reticent to leasing it out to other companies to distribute. Notwithstanding, I'm still hoping that Gordon will take another stab at it next year in 2010. I can assure you that I will be working very hard to make it happen.


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I didn't want to start a new thread, but this is related to this album.

I just came home from shopping at one of our local supermarkets and heard "Deck the Hall with Boughs of Holly" by Percy  Faith and His Orchestra from "Music of Christmas" on the supermarket's, I don't know if it is Muzak, satellite radio or their own private network, or what. (Does Muzak even exist anymore? lol)

I don't believe they are playing Christmas Music all the time yet but I've been shopping there for over 11 years, sometimes 2 or 3 times a day, and this is the first time I've ever heard any of the Classic Christmas Standards by the artist's that a lot of us grew up with and  love.  They usually play Kenny-G. Mariah Carey etc.

Though I was shopping, it made me feel like I was watching The Yule Log.  I usually can't hear this song unless I am listening to my albums or watching The Yule Log.
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That's an interesting thread over at the Steve Hoffman mastering forum; thanks for the link. So, if the CD is indeed a flat transfer of the 2-channel dub used for the stereo LP pressings, then (in THEORY) you should be able to get something closer to "correct" by using an RIAA playback curve.  At any rate, the CD would sound more pleasant with some shelving low boost/treble cut even if it's not to the extremes called for in the RIAA spec.

Sometime soon, I'll extract a song from the CD into Adobe Audition and will give it a try.
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Two years and seven days later and I haven't gotten around to doing the experiment I mentioned in the last post. However, I did score a sealed LP of Music of Christmas (1959 stereo version) and I think I'm going to make a digital transfer of it on its first play. I suppose I could also buy one of the many cheap used copies that are floating around and play that while saving the sealed LP. Playing the record isn't an inconvenience for me because I only listen to MoC at home. It's WAY too relaxing to enjoy while driving!

Still, I wish Sony would get it together and give this beloved record the high-fidelity reissue it deserves. Thing is, do we know that the original master tapes still exist? You'd be surprised at what can happen; check out this article:

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I believe that they had this problem just trying to get the original 1968 Perry Como Christmas master tapes when they did the 3 disc compliation for CCM/RealGone, and had to use a lesser quality copy of the 1968 recordings where it's hard to get Perry's voice 'out front' from the choir of ladies on the recordings.  So even something that recent was harder to get than the 1950's tapes. 

The article link was very interesting.  Digital can be bad - I had recordings on my children on a 1990's DCC (Digital Compact Cassette) and the deck wouldn't play them anymore, yet I've got a 1975 reel to reel tape that still plays wonderfully; you get a break with analog; not so with digital.

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Very interesting article.

I guess the same could be said for Television as a lot of TV shows were taped over.  I know for instance, WNEW TV during the 1970's, I used to watch "Wonderama" with Bob McAllister and I heard that WNEW recorded over all the episodes so this program won't ever be released on DVD.  I loved this program when I was younger.  It was a little like Bozo The Clown, because it had a live audicence and games for the kids to play and they also showed cartoons.

I belive a few short video-clips have survived, but the program itself has been taped over.  It's such a shame as I'm sure that they did it with other programs like Your Show of Shows" and just so many more classics.

I know storage space can be a problem, but they didn't have the foresight that people would still be interested in these great programs and music.

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NBC -TV is also guilty of using taping-over the expensive 2" videotape over and over again until it disintegrated; hence, many Johnny Carson Tonight Show's are gone forever, as are many of the NBC game shows that could have had a second life on the Game Show Network.

I'm guilty of it too; as an early teen, recording tape was 'expensive' on my allowance, so many radio recordings are long gone, including 'an all Christmas radio station' way back before it became a predominate fixture on FM the last 10 years.

I did 'inherit' a 1975 beautiful music station Christmas reel to reel tape, and although it was recorded at the slower 3-3/4IPS speed, was on excellent backed tape and still sounds quite good.  Sounds like it was a 'Bonneville-programmed' station too, so great instrumentals.
 
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I used to buy cassettes from Woolworth's in 3-packs a few times a month and tape music off the radio and even some onto -8-track,  I have a lot of cassette tapes that were poorly made and after a couple of plays, they would tighten up and it they were a sealed case, I had to pry them apart, but some had screws holding the 2 sides of them together, and by opening them up and reclosing them, that freed them up so they would play. but some of the cheaper tapes fade in and out but at least I am able to listen to some old radio programs from you younger years.

It's a shame that even Network TV station taped over shows like The Tonight Show and some of their old game shows.   Concentration would be a wonderful game show to be broadcast on the Game Show Network.  It would also be nice if some of the affiliated had recorded these programs and kept the tapes, but most networks usually just retransmitted the program from the network feed so they weren't really broadcasting it from tape themselves.

I remember if Jr. High School that we hat VTR's and they were the 2 inch tapes or maybe a little wider but were on large reels and they would have programs that could be transmitted to all classroom or just to 1 particular room and even in the library, you could watch certain programs that the school had taped, but I'm sure those are long gone.  I remember a few times there was a Network Movie or something and the school would tape it and we could watch it in class along with the commercials, but then I belive in 1972, when they stopped allowing Cigarette Commercials to be on TV, any more Network Movies had the commercials edited out of them because they were recoreded before the law went into effect.

Is so sad because there were some great game shows and other programs that are gone forever because the general public didn't have any way of recording video back them other than 8mm or 16 mm film, and sound wasn't available until a few years later or you had to also use an audio tape recorder if you wanted the sound.

Too bad we couldn't go back in time and mark on all of the old shellac, metal and tapes for both Records and TV, "Under no circumstances, get rid of these.  Do not reuse them for other recordings, and do not get rid of unmarked boxes of tapes.  Also make sure they are stored in the safest places possible", but alas, we can't go back and change things.  So we only have an occasional video clip of these programs that someone has posted on YouTube.

Also, Netflix has The Dick Van Dyke Show and I belive it's available on DVD, and a few of the episodes show the actual commercials from when the program first aired, but they are done by the cast of the show.  But still it is an original commercial.

Even on some of The Honeymooners DVD collection, the contrast and video quality are so poor, but at least the entire series is there as far as I know.  But it is a shame there wasn't any way to correct them, but being the images are so distorted, they would just end up making them worse.

I wish some more people would come forward with unmarked boxes of tapes and find they are from original recording sessions that the record companies had destroyed or recorded over but somehow these other tapes survived.

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I would say that probably the original session tapes for Music of Christmas still exist; Columbia just isn't ready yet to spend a little money to remaster.  I understand from others that this album didn't sound like this when it was first released, but somehwere along the way a new duplicating master was needed and was botched in the engineering.  You'd think by now Columbia would fix their mistake.  I just don't understand the perverseness of not remastering a classic recording, nor licensing it to another label who would love to fix it.  It just doesn't make sense.

Some of you, like myself, probably bought The Golden Age of Light Music: Christmas Celebration that was released last year by Guild Light Music.  This CD has two tracks from Music of Christmas and several from Hallelujah.  I don't know what a record company sends to another label when making a compilation, but the Guild's remastering sure made The First Noel and Silent Night sound better.  I made my own CD replacing the two remastered versions with the originals.  Although this is only two songs out of twelve, at least when I play the album I'm hearing two tracks that don't offend my ears!

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Susan, it's true that some of the old Honeymooners episodes don't look as good as the others, but it has less to do with neglect or loss of original source material than it does with a difference in technology.

The "Classic 39" episodes you see (or at least used to see) on TV all the time were filmed using the DuMont Electronicam system that used a beam splitter inside the camera to record directly to film while the image was also captured by a camera tube for the live broadcast. The film from the cameras was edited together later to correspond to the transitions that were made during the broadcast and the end result was very high quality. The pre-Electronicam  Honeymooners sketches were filmed with the old kinescope method using a film camera pointed at a video monitor, much lower quality compared to filming the action directly.
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Tommy Evergreen, If I'm not mistaken, the tracks on The Golden Age of Light Music: Christmas Celebration were actually from vinyl and expertly remastered, much like the 1970's American Top 40 programs were all remasted from vinyl, as Casey Kasem's Watermark didn't keep their tapes of the show - only vinyl copies exist!

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That is correct Johnny; my friend Alan Bunting did all the remastering for the
Guild CD from the music's original vinyl LPs.



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My sealed copy of MoC arrived yesterday. It's been a long time since I opened the shrink wrap on a mint LP and I look forward to that little ritual when the time comes. (I don't play Christmas music before December).


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FYI, that big blank space at the end of the notes used to display an ad for Columbia Phonographs. That blank space kind of draws your eye right to it-too bad they couldn't put something in its place.
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James:

That is not correct what you said about the back cover of the 1959 stereo re-recording LP release of Mr. Faith's Music Of Christmas.

When Columbia Records first released the newly recorded stereo version of Music Of Christmas in 1959 with the updated cover artwork (which is now legendary in its own right), they used that little space on the lower right-hand corner on the back cover to pay homage to the original 1954 recording. I am lucky enough to have several copies of these original pressings. In this aforementioned spot on the back cover, they used to show a little thumbnail picture of the original 1954 LP cover and underneath it said the following:

"In its original edition with this well-known cover, this collection sold over 250,000 copies."






Dave:

Sorry buddy, but you are in a distinct minority on this message board with regard to when you start playing your Christmas music.
Click here for my message board poll from last year.

As you can see, of the 15 board members that have voted thus far, only 2 start playing their Christmas music in December. As for myself, I play all year long; however my official playing season begins on October 1st. It would be a great tragedy for me if I only began playing my Christmas music on December 1st. In fact, with the exorbitant size of my collection, I would never even begin to come close to covering it if I only began on December 1st. As of today, I have played a total of 261 albums -- 27 more albums than at this same point last year when I played a record total of 410 albums. And as far as Christmas decorations are concerned, my tree was up on October 25th and the rest of my Christmas decorations went up on November 1st. And I know there are many folks -- including many members of this message board -- that also decorate well before December 1st. Again, for me, I would just consider it a great tragedy if I only limited myself to the confines of the days of the month of December. And if other members have the temerity to chime in here, you will see that many of them feel the same way as well.



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Dave,

Just to add to Chip's comments, they didn't have barcodes back in 1959, and on the back where your barcarode is, there was in large letters "COLUMBIA, their logo, catalog number and "LP"

On the front on the right was also "Columbia" Their Logo and the Catalog Number and "LP"

Also, the hole punched into your record indicated is was "Pulled" by the record companies so the stores wouldn't sell them anymore, but Chip can explain that better then I am able to.  These usually got sold off at huge discounts.

There is a post somewhere in this message board where I had been told that the little hole you find in some 45's was for Juke Boxes, but Chip had explained that the record companies "Pulled" them and he would often go to the stores like Woolworth s and get them as did I.  in a batch of up to 10 in plastic wrap and it was maybe $1.00 for those 10 45's and sometimes you got some great 45's in the package and sometimes it wasn't anythong great at all.

I'm not quoting from the post and am paraphrasing but I added that I would often get the 10-packs for $1.00 at Woolworth s and I remember one of the records was by Charlie Rich called "Dance of Love" or "The Dance of Love" and it wasn't in his more familiar Country Style.  I don't remember what the flip side was.  I also got Sandy Posey's "I Take It Back"  Paula & Paula "Holiday for Teens"  The Mama's and The Papa's "Free Advice"  it wasn't really a hit, but just to give you an idea that you got some good records and some bad ones in the batch.  They were all brand new, just had a hole punched in them.

My images may not be the first pressing of the 1959 release, but the record is the "6-Eye" Columbia Label, and on the back of this jacket, there is a # 1 on the bottom of the jacket, so this could be a first pressing, but it's definitely the original release from 1959.


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Oh, I had no illusions about my copy being an original pressing. It says right on the front cover (lower left corner) "Re-released by popular demand." It may have been stamped from the same metal parts as the original run, though, or maybe not. At any rate, I'm sure it'll sound better than the CD.

A sealed LP from the late '50s or early '60s would be a rare bird indeed and certainly would've cost more than the 8 bucks I paid for this. Seeing as someone bought it from the cut-out bin for two bucks, they still made a tidy $6 profit off me, but I don't mind. It's worth it to me.

Here's an explanation of the whole cut-out thing, by the way: Cut-out (recording industry)

Chip, I figured I was in the minority here when it comes to when I listen to Christmas music. The fact that it belongs to a particular season is part of what makes it special to me, and I think some of that would be lost if I started listening to it out-of-season. But it's such a personal thing, like everything else having to do with music.
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My copy of the MofC's back cover does indeed have the Columbia Phonograph ad in place of the blurb about Hallejuah/the Columbia Album of Christmas Music (which doesn't mention that the MofC disc in C2L-15 is NOT the same recording  in mono as CS 8176) and the picture of the original cover artwork of MofC. I have a stereo 6-eye pressing, but my back cover must have been modified during a push to sell Columbia Phonographs. I had compared back covers when I got my empty sleeve of MofC from the reissue on the Columbia Limited Edition series and noticed the blank space at the end of the liner notes and looked at my other copy of MofC and saw the Columbia Phonograph ad in that location. I guess what this means is I may have an original pressing of the stereo 6-eye MofC but I don't have the original back cover.
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We play Christmas music all year.  We take a vacation in early NOV to hit a number of Christmas concerts/attractions to get the ball really rolling.  We look at pics and vids of Christmas decorations all year as well.  Count us among those in the Christmas weirdo camp!
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Jinglero,

I have both the 1959 MONO and Stereo release of MOC.  I had other copies of them, but didn't know about reissues initially, and with "Chip's" help, I was able to determine that the first ones I had were not the original releases and he explained to me about the "6-Eye" and "2-Eye" labels and when I found several listing for MOC on eBay, they all listed them as 1959, so I had to send them pictures of both the "6-Eye" and "2-Eye" labels to see if that is what was the label on the vinyl itself because they were going by the catalog number to determine the year.  The reason I mention the "2-Eye" is I also had a reissue of "Give Me Your Love for Christmas" by Johnny Mathis and all the vendors were saying it was "The Original Release" so I had to send them the images too.

Being a "Collector" you always want the originals, and yes, though the artwork is often the same, and the music is the same, the average person just wanting to have that particular album it wouldn't matter.  But not one person on eBay knew what I was talking about when I asked them if it was the "6-Eye" or "2-Eye"

Though I can't explain your anomaly, I have 2 copies of "Snoopy and His Friends The Royal Guardsmen" on Laurie Records SLLP-2042.  On side 2, song 6, on the Jacket it lists the song as "It Kinda Looks Like Christmas" but on the label on the vinyl itself, it lists the 6th. song as "I Needed You"  But, on the vinyl, it is "It Kinda Looks Like Christmas.  I have seen other Laurie releases of this album and the label on the vinyl is correct, but to have 2 albums purchased over 40 years apart, with the same anomaly, is probably a 1 in a million chance.  I've seen reissues on ether Harmony or Mistletoe Records, and the artwork is the same, including the tear off Snoopy inside the wreath wearing a cap and carrying a candle, but the songs are correct on the jacket and labels.  I did a post about this several years ago.

Then there was another anomaly, on MOC2,  The artwork for the front was correct, but somehow, the label from MOC ended up on the back or something, but the songs listed were from MOC and not MOC2 or Hallelujah!  I don't remember this particular one exactly and I think I had mentioned this in a previous post too several years ago.

I have seen a few times where the label on the vinyl was on the wrong side and I guess somehow when they were pressing the records, normally, they have a machine that has side a and side b labels, then the vinyl that is maybe an inch thick and about the size of a hockey puck are aligned and the metal plates that has the reverse image of the recordings is heated very hot and under high pressure, it presses and melts the vinyl to the 12 inches and the image is transferred onto the vinyl and the labels are melted to the vinyl too.  Then when the vinyl has cooled, they trim any excess vinyl off and smooth the edge.  After so many pressings, they use a new set of plates because dust particles and vinyl residue could get pressed into the new batch or pucks so that is why they change the plates after pressing so many albums.

I am by no means an expert in this area, but I did work for a Professional Sound Company as a Secretary in the 1970's and we had a recording studio and did sound systems for High School and College Commencement Ceremonies, we did the sound systems for the Rock and Roll Revival Concerts in NYC and a lot of other things and I learned a lot from them, and I have seen videos too of how they press a record.  It's a similar process for CD's and that is why when you burn a CD, you can get different results from the original being the original was pressed.

Dave,

Thanks for explaining the Classic 39 Episodes of The Honeymooners.  I have seen video of a person sitting at a computer, and when the video is played back on TV, the image on the computer screen appears to be moving almost like the waves on the ocean, but that has to do with the Refresh Rate for the Computer Monitor and the TV's refresh rate is different, but everything else is shown to be normal.  It's similar to watching Ellen, or Letterman and the camera is aimed at one of the monitors that the audience can see, and the image you see in the camera monitor is doing the same thing.  I believe that the cameras still use CRT Monitors, but I could be wrong.

Also, being your vinyl recording of MOC isn't scratched or anything, it will definitely sound better than a CD, but you would have to listen to it on a good high quality stereo system.  CD's aren't capable of reproducing the frequencies that Analog recordings could, so especially in an album such as this beautiful Christmas music or just about any Classical record album, on CD, you can't hear the high and low frequencies.  Also anytime you digitize something you lose quality.  It may not be immediately noticeable, but for instance, if you scan a photograph and save it on your computer and had the time to open and close it a few thousand times.   The last image wouldn't be as sharp as the first time you looked at it.

That is also a huge problem with having to go Digital for TV.  Unless you live within 20 miles of the transmitters and there aren't any hills or tall buildings between you and the transmitter, you will have trouble picking up your local channels, and if you are able to, they often pixelize and if you pay close attention, you will notice that the lip are moving after you hear what they said.  It has to do with how they compress the video and sound before it's transmitted and then it doesn't decode exactly the right way so you have problems.

Also I don't know of any Digital TV Station that is transmitting higher than 1000KW's but when they were Analog, they were transmitting in the 400,000KW's range visual and aural on 2 slightly different frequencies but then they got combined into one in the tuner on your TV and also the Analog Antennas were several feet taller than the Digital Antennas.  So most people are forced to pay either a Cable, Satellite or Phone provider to get their local channels.  In my area, we have 1 channel that is about 35 miles from me, and they are transmitting under 30KW's and they have 3 sub-channels but we can't get them because the Cable, Satellite and Phone TV providers only have to give you the actual local channel.  I used to be able to pick up stations over 150 miles away with just a set of rabbit ear antennas inside, but now to get a fairly good signal you have to use an outdoor antenna and it has to be at least 30 feet above sea level.   Digital signals don't bend with the curvature of the earth either, so you lose signal that way and if you walk near your indoor antenna you can interfere with the digital signal and lose your picture.

Sorry for getting slightly off-topic, but talking about CD's being Digital and Vinyl being Analog, it reminded me of the same thing for TV and before I forget, we were told it was to free up frequencies for EMS, but it was more for the cellphone providers to use the frequencies to give you 4G speeds instead.  So there are people out there that can't get any TV at all either because they live too far from where Cable TV will run their cables or they are in Valleys that are blocked from satellites and also Digital Transmitters, so all they have to depend on for news updates in radio.

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Yes James, I have no doubt that you have one of the later LP pressings that sported the Columbia phonograph ad; sorry if I gave any other interpretation. However,
the clear implication of your post was that Columbia's original intention for this space on the back cover was for the aforementioned ad, and I wanted to point out that it wasn't; it was for the blurb paying homage to the original 1954 LP.

This blurb paying homage to the 1954 LP was only on the 1959 pressings of the LP; your copy with the phonograph ad is from either 1960 or 1961, there's no way to tell which.






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Thank you for the informtion! I wasn't aware that the Columbia Phonograph ad was not the only graphic used in that space, as all I'd ever seen (before the picture posted above of the rear cover) was my cover with the ad and the reissue cover with the blank space. I'll now know to keep my eyes out for an original back cover if I come across another copy of MofC.
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NewYorkDave: I also noticed that nowhere on the your LP photo do I see the "CS8176" number denoting the oriignal stereo LP; actually, I don't see a 'label number' anywhere.  Does it have a designation, something like "LExxxx" or "CSPxxx"?
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Johnny,

I am going to answer this question because I have several copies of this pressing in my archives and because there is a historical significance to this particular release:

This particular reissue of Music Of Christmas that David pictured in his post is the very last vinyl LP pressing of this legendary album that was ever done by Columbia Records. This last LP reissue was released in the year 1983 and there were actually two catalog numbers that were assigned to it: the first one was catalog #3C-38302 and it was located on the very top of the spine of the album jacket; and the second catalog number was located on the LP itself and it was catalog #PC-38302. The only number of any kind that was located on the front or back of the jacket itself was the UPC code of 0-74643-83021-02, which was on the back cover.



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Hey, thanks for the info, Chip! I was glad to get this record in any case, but knowing it's from the last pressing ever makes it a little more special to me.

You know, I always enjoyed the smell of a new LP and I wonder if it'll be the same in the case of a record that has been sealed for almost 30 years. I'll find out soon enough.

Edit: I should have written "last pressing to date" because you never know what might happen in the future. After all, Guaraldi's Charlie Brown Christmas (my favorite Christmas album of all) was just reissued on vinyl - green vinyl at that!
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Chip,

As you know, I have an original "6-Eye" release of Music Of Christmas CL 588, well I was out running errands and being I was in an area I don't usually get to very often, I stopped into a Goodwill Thrift Store and lo and behold, I saw the familiar cover with, I believe, Percy Faith dressed as Santa and the little girl sleeping,  I then wanted to see if the vinyl was any better than mine at home, not that mine skips, but sometimes you can find a slightly better copy and this one ended up being the Columbia label before they started with the "6-Eye"  The vinyl does have a few scuffs, but I think it will play without skipping.

The front of the jacket is basically the same as the "6-Eye" but on the "6-Eye" jacket on the top right, there is an orange box with black lettering "A High Fidelity Recording", but the non-"6-Eye" jacket doesn't have that to the left of "COLUMBIA"

The back of the jacket appears identical in every way except on the lower right under the black area with the COLUMBIA in it, but underneath that it reads "Columbia", then the Circle LP then AND then Circle Musical Notes and then another Circle with a symbol I can't make out, then TRADE MARKS REG. U. S. PAT. OFF. MARCUS REGISTRADAS. then the Columbia symbol that is in the first "O" of Columbia, then TRADE MARK. PRINTED IN U.S.A. but the "A" is filled in so it's hard to tell it's an "A" but on the "6-Eye" jacket it shows ®"Columbia." then the Circle LP then the Columbia symbol that is in the first "O" in Columbia then Marcus Reg.  Printed in U.S.A.

Do you know if there is any significance for the difference between the two jackets?, being they are the same, except for what I tried to describe.  I know you are familiar with how the jacket looks, but I was curious why the older Columbia Label, Reddish Brown with gray lettering jacket would be different than the "6-Eye" jacket.

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No Susan, there is no significance for the difference in the markings on the jackets other than aesthetics.



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Oh OK, Thanks so much Chip.  I really appreciate your help in this.  I know that there are anomalies on other albums I have had and mentioned and was just curious if this was the same thing. 
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I totally BUMP the title on this blog! It'screaming for a release! And truly, it should be done by the same phenomenal team that did 2012's much-commended release of the 2nd Faith Christmas Stereo Album!
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